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Eternal Equinox · Jan 18, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

How do i favor get???

(american HA districts are usually empty so it would make sense that there are more european players than american.)

Myria · Jan 18, 2007, 02:33 PM // 14:33

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

I have met about thrity americans, on the EUROPEAN servers saying things like 'europe sucks', tossing about profound racial slurrs, putting other countries down, just to prove their vissaged dominance. Its people like this that give America a bad name, giving us European players a right to dislike american players.

Ummm... No. What that gives you European players a right to dislike are those thirty idiot Americans (Assuming they are indeed Americans --Did you check their passports, by any chance? We all know trolls would never fake where they're from or anything...). I should hope you are aware that thirty people do not constitute a valid sampling of of either North Americans in general or North American GW players in particular, right?

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So we fight, just to prove them wrong. We dont insult, we dont namecall, or indulge in petty arguments. Theres no' your mom is good in bed you n00zor0x0!!!!1' type remarks coming from European players.

Ah, yes, we're all saints, they're all sinners... Blah, blah, blah. Very believable, that.

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Now dont get me wrong, im not saying that all americans are like this, i have a few american friends on my buddy list, but when this behaviour interferes directly with gameplay, whether it be ignorance, carelessness, and over-confidence, i will gaurentee you that its America's fault that they have favour the least of the time.

So, like, when America and Korea always had favor and Europe virtually never did -- and that wasn't all that long ago -- was that because Europe had a bad attitude and went around insulting people's mothers? Or, far more plausably, perhaps it was simply a matter of Europe having far fewer PvPers at the time and now that many American and Korean PvPers have moved on to other things Europe is in ascendance by dent of relative numbers?

Nah... Couldn't be...

Lord Mendes · Jan 18, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Perhaps they are better at HA...

Lex · Jan 18, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by gene terrodon

I think that the europeans are benefitting from bad american attitudes.
People are turned of of HA because of the penchant for specific builds and rank discrimination.
So instead of playing HA, americans do other things.

I would tend to disagree.

I'm european player, I think I'm skilled and have knowledge "how to play". I'm r6 now. BUT. 90% teams I was in (lately) were mostly americans. And I like playing with them. I like their sense of humor.

About bad attitude - It seems to me that euro players base more on rank discrimination. Yes, thats maybe the reason why they get favor more often. But there is no chance for even skilled player to get into good, ranked euro team as they want rX*+++ "only".

*) Where X is rank higher than you have at the moment.

TheRaven · Jan 18, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Rafal

I'm european player, I think I'm skilled and have knowledge "how to play". I'm r6 now. BUT. 90% teams I was in (lately) were mostly americans. And I like playing with them. I like their sense of humor.

Well, that's the problem in a nutshell. It's not that Americans suck at HA and Europeans are great. It's that the Americans that are good at HA and are playing are playing on European teams. Therefore when they do win HoH, they win it for Europe.

Lex · Jan 18, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

Well, that's the problem in a nutshell. It's not that Americans suck at HA and Europeans are great. It's that the Americans that are good at HA and are playing are playing on European teams. Therefore when they do win HoH, they win it for Europe.

Well - in my cases - these 90% - when I did win in HoH it was for America

As I said - my teams were americans.

Josh · Jan 18, 2007, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Korea's barely playing because of the earthquake taking out there ISP's.

leprekan · Jan 18, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Europe has more bodies playing ha courtesy of the exodus and the cool place to form your groups ID. To anyone that has ever played ha they know this is true. AD1 was ALWAYS looked down on as noobville by the good american pvpers .. the youth of today will never be found guilty of being patriotic.

Iway was actually GOOD for ha it brought MANY people to ha that moved on to other builds over time. Anet killed the stepping stone into pvp for many. Before you get on your iway noob rants .. a fotm is a fotm as if bloodspike is skilled. It is hilarious how people over look Power fotming to rank12 and beyond .. yet condemn the pug that ran iway. People hated iway because a group of unknown unranked people could get together and sometimes beat that uber leet ranked group *GASP* zomgnoobhaxz! nerf it!!!!!!!

I completely agree with the poster that said Anet should move players back to their home country unless they MOVED in the real world. They created ID districts so people could do things together from other countries so switching is not needed. Till we get more bodies in ha coming from ad districts expect Europe to have favor (I remember when Europe was FREE fame)

Andy_M · Jan 18, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Interesting how no Americans were bothered back in the Prophecy days when they were completely dominating and there was a massive exodus over to the US servers from Europe.

tomcruisejr · Jan 18, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Here's logic 101.1

If you always lose to something and you want to win, what you gonna do?

a) try and lose again
b) whine

obviously, Europeans whined and now they are reaping the rewards.

Myria · Jan 19, 2007, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

Interesting how no Americans were bothered back in the Prophecy days when they were completely dominating and there was a massive exodus over to the US servers from Europe.

In a word, bull. Back when America and Korea exchanged favor with Europe being almost entirely left out there was thread after thread about the subject, frankly a lot more than there are now, and there were many Americans who felt the whole favor thing was terminally stupid and should be abolished.

This idea that it's only now that Europe has favor all the time that anyone is complaining is an utter crock.

lord_shar · Jan 19, 2007, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Wow, after reading a good chunk of this thread, I started wondering if ANET or the GW-community will ever be open-minded enough to try a "Universal favor" weekend, where favor is present in all districts for just one weekend.

Yay/nay?

Pwny Ride · Jan 19, 2007, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Myria

So, like, when America and Korea always had favor and Europe virtually never did -- and that wasn't all that long ago -- was that because Europe had a bad attitude and went around insulting people's mothers? Or, far more plausably, perhaps it was simply a matter of Europe having far fewer PvPers at the time and now that many American and Korean PvPers have moved on to other things Europe is in ascendance by dent of relative numbers?

no a) IWAY is gone

b) Its not a double sided sword. Europe did have less PvP players at that time, and thats why we DID have control of the halls less than american and koreans. But im saying thats thats not the problem. Americas problem is attitude, and it always has been.
There are so many american players in the internatonal districts its not funny, and do you have substantial proof from swaping servers regularly (which you cant because of a swap limit of 5), that there are more european players in PvP on European Servers than American players on American servers?

Quality over Quantity

tomcruisejr · Jan 19, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Americas problem is attitude, and it always has been.

people in european server back in the day were always crying about iway. they beat iway, they trash talk. they lose to iway, they still trash talk. no american server players did that, if i clearly remember.

so most europeans who suck in guildwars are now winning with eurospike now that iway is gone.

Randomway Ftw · Jan 19, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Americas problem is attitude, and it always has been.

That's not true there are just as many trash talkers and jackasses on the European server, as on the American one.

It's funny sometimes you would face a team running a build that is worse, and takes less skill than IWAY (smiteball), and before the match they would say, "Are you running American balanced, IWAY?" and then they get flawlesseed in less than a minute. (just so you know, I didn't play IWAY)

There are many more European guilds than American ones. IWAY is not restricted to America, I saw plenty of European IWAYs back when Apostasy IWAY was popular.

Another thing to note, all serious HA players don't care what region they're from and go to International Districts.

Smile Like Umean It · Jan 19, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Ray

America sucks, lololololol.

If that's the most intelligent thing you can say then I'm sure it's already past your bedtime.

DRGN · Jan 19, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

Interesting how no Americans were bothered back in the Prophecy days when they were completely dominating and there was a massive exodus over to the US servers from Europe.

As previously mentioned by other people, there were a lot of Americans(myself included),were pushing for a change to the favor system. People are trying to ignore everything that happened back then. A lot of people from both sides wanted reform. Now that you wouldn't get any benefit from it, Europe is basically just telling everyone else to screw off, and at the same time, tries to play off AMERICA as rude, inconsiderate, and whining.

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

So we fight, just to prove them wrong. We dont insult, we dont namecall, or indulge in petty arguments. Theres no' your mom is good in bed you n00zor0x0!!!!1' type remarks coming from European players.

I've had Europeans(specficially, Germans) tell me to go "FYAD" after an alliance battle a few months ago. Does that give me the right to hate European players? Trust me, I've seen PLENTY of anti-American slurs and rants on American servers. My encounters with European players in general has been rather disappointing, to say the least. There's total idiots on BOTH SIDES. I think that's part of why Americans who don't like Europeans have that feeling; we KNOW there's idiots over here. We throw them out there and let the masses rip them apart. You guys, on the other hand, claim that you don't ever call names or engage in stupid argument, except when you stop to call us petty, arrogant, childish, immature, tasteless, stupid, and whiners, all of which are names I've seen Europeans throw around at Americans. I realize that's a very, very small percentage of the European population. It's the fact that you guys will pretend they don't exist, then find the American equivalent of those morons and try to use them to stereotype the entire American population. There's stupid Americans AND Europeans; that's never going to change.

For the record, I don't hate Europeans, just the ones that have the holier-than-thou attitude I described. I've met an equal number of good and bad ones, just like with Americans. It's the INTERNET. It's a miracle its only 50/50.

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Another thing to note, all serious HA players don't care what region they're from and go to International Districts.

And that's why I've thought since the first day I started playing that the favor system should be completely overhauled. I remember posting in a thread similar to this one about a year or so ago: A PvE event tied to PvP events, PvP players tell PvE'ers to go PvP, blah blah blah we've all heard that story. That hasn't changed much, if at all. I thought the favor system was stupid then, and it still is. I think an international group winning Halls goes to whichever side has more people; therefore, on a 4 Euro/2 American or vice-versa team, the minority's region gets screwed, and the minority players don't CARE, nor should they have to. None of the serious HA players really care about region(and therefore, who gets favor), yet PvE players are still dependent upon them.

Yes, I realize I went off on a tangent, but it infuriates me to see that a year after posting in a thread(along with a bunch of other Americans) on another forum making the case that Europe was getting screwed and they should have at least a little more opportunity to get favor,( i.e. make a small time period for each region where favor isn't affected by halls wins; if real HA players don't care, then this shouldn't bother them.), Europe is turning around and making it look like no one over here cared back then, and we're just whining. You guys complained, legitimately, when America had favor a lot; now that the tables have turned, a lot of Americans are now complaining, but we're whining? I don't get it. I just want to know, all the Europeans who pleaded for "fairness" in the system back the; where are they now?

dmndidjit · Jan 19, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Andy_M

Interesting how no Americans were bothered back in the Prophecy days when they were completely dominating and there was a massive exodus over to the US servers from Europe.

Bullshit. Many of us saw how stupid a system it was from the very beginning and have complained about it from the start. Unfortunately whatever powers that be at Anet decided a long time ago that this is the way it is going to be and that is that. How many players in Taiwan and Japan have never set foot in the UW or FoW?

I'm curious to know if the new China Server will have constant favor since it will be outside the current system.

tomcruisejr · Jan 19, 2007, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by DRGN

I just want to know, all the Europeans who pleaded for "fairness" in the system back the; where are they now?

winning. coz instead of not sucking, they whined.

TheDragoon · Jan 19, 2007, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by Josh

Korea's barely playing because of the earthquake taking out there ISP's.

WTF?
The earthquake affect south-east asian countries. That's TAIWAN and SINGAPORE.
Koreans stop playing since mid last year.
Now go and look at google earth to educate yourself